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[PaoloAldovrandi]

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Giusto per vostra info, questo era quello che avevo chiesto io a loro

Hi ken and thanks for the answer,
................
then i would like to know application of both powders:
Can i use in Manual/Automatic Transmission Oil too ?
Or in the Hydroguide Oil ?
Can i mix WS2 and hBN together or is it better make 2 treatments first with one and second with the other one ? and in which order ?
is it possible to use in the Coolant system mixed with water ?
In the Air Conditioning system ?
Or in the Fuel to protect in some way turbo, iniector system ?
Another question is which one is the better in the application required below (WS2 or hBN) or both ?

Please if you can answer to my questions too.

Thanks for now

ecco la loro risposta

Dear mav_top,

Thanks for your e-mail.

For engines with spark plug, use WS2 for mixing with oil (hBN will build up
on spark plugs)
For Diesel engines (with glow plugs), you can use hBN or WS2 (for mixing
with engine oil It is advisable that you use any one and not a mixture of
both).

For transmission fluid, Mix only in Manual Transmission (10 gms WS2/ 1 Lit
of fluid)
Do not mix in automatic transmission as clutch may slip

Questo e' tutto spero che ora sia piu' chiaro per tutti

Ciao
mav_top

Gesù! ( con tutto il rispetto )

Se l' utente Luxengine dovesse capitare a leggere questo tuo post, penso che avrebbe un attacco epilettico... NON 1 , bensì 2 tipi di POLVERE nel motore!
Giammai!
Ed allora eccolo ad intraprendere una novella crociata anti- cessi tritati, ergendosi ad estremo difensore della iperlubrificazione fullerenica.

( OH! io stuzzico, magari illo legge e posta qualcosa, o magari chi per illo glielo riferisce... )

[The Killer]

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Magari al prossimo cambio olio.

Non ha molto senso in termini di iperlubrificazione, far girare il BN dove c' è già il PTFE.
Sullo ZX1 dico questo ( sperandoche non mi ri-bannino ):
Se c' è dentro il Fullerene, stesso discorso che per il PTFE, se invece è un clorinato, allora vai liscio, ovvero metticene quanto vuoi.

ho usato il M&D M2000 e lo ZX1 (50ml in 6l di olio circa).
nel cambio ho il sintoflon.

[xxxpier]

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Giusto per vostra info, questo era quello che avevo chiesto io a loro

Hi ken and thanks for the answer,
................
then i would like to know application of both powders:
Can i use in Manual/Automatic Transmission Oil too ?
Or in the Hydroguide Oil ?
Can i mix WS2 and hBN together or is it better make 2 treatments first with one and second with the other one ? and in which order ?
is it possible to use in the Coolant system mixed with water ?
In the Air Conditioning system ?
Or in the Fuel to protect in some way turbo, iniector system ?
Another question is which one is the better in the application required below (WS2 or hBN) or both ?

Please if you can answer to my questions too.

Thanks for now

ecco la loro risposta

Dear mav_top,

Thanks for your e-mail.

For engines with spark plug, use WS2 for mixing with oil (hBN will build up
on spark plugs)
For Diesel engines (with glow plugs), you can use hBN or WS2 (for mixing
with engine oil It is advisable that you use any one and not a mixture of
both).

For transmission fluid, Mix only in Manual Transmission (10 gms WS2/ 1 Lit
of fluid)
Do not mix in automatic transmission as clutch may slip

Questo e' tutto spero che ora sia piu' chiaro per tutti

Ciao
mav_top

non c'ho capito una fulgida minchia.
mi spiegate cosa vuol dire spark plug e glow plug? grazie!

[umbi]

Re: Si fa presto a dire... NITRURO di BORO ...

Giusto per vostra info, questo era quello che avevo chiesto io a loro

Hi ken and thanks for the answer,
................
then i would like to know application of both powders:
Can i use in Manual/Automatic Transmission Oil too ?
Or in the Hydroguide Oil ?
Can i mix WS2 and hBN together or is it better make 2 treatments first with one and second with the other one ? and in which order ?
is it possible to use in the Coolant system mixed with water ?
In the Air Conditioning system ?
Or in the Fuel to protect in some way turbo, iniector system ?
Another question is which one is the better in the application required below (WS2 or hBN) or both ?

Please if you can answer to my questions too.

Thanks for now

ecco la loro risposta

Dear mav_top,

Thanks for your e-mail.

For engines with spark plug, use WS2 for mixing with oil (hBN will build up
on spark plugs)
For Diesel engines (with glow plugs), you can use hBN or WS2 (for mixing
with engine oil It is advisable that you use any one and not a mixture of
both).

For transmission fluid, Mix only in Manual Transmission (10 gms WS2/ 1 Lit
of fluid)
Do not mix in automatic transmission as clutch may slip

Questo e' tutto spero che ora sia piu' chiaro per tutti

Ciao
mav_top

Cioè: hBN will build up on spark plugs Intende dire che l'HBN potrebbe mandare in corto le candele sui motori a benzina ?

[umbi]

Re: Si fa presto a dire... NITRURO di BORO ...

non c'ho capito una fulgida minchia.
mi spiegate cosa vuol dire spark plug e glow plug? grazie!

Spark plug sono le candele dei motori a benzina, Glow plug sono le candelette di preriscaldo dei motori diesel !

[mav_top]

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Allora tutto giusto, Spark plug sono le candele dei motori a benzina, Glow plug sono le candelette di preriscaldo dei motori diesel.
Pero' sul fatto che l'hBN faccia fare un corto non credo, penso che intenda forse che le bagna o si deposita li ? e quindi potrebbero funzionare male come una candela bagnata con olio, giusto ?
Qui ci vuole un meccanico, inoltre stiamo parlando di 10 grammi di roba in 4-5 lt di olio, e tra tutti i posti dove deve attaccare, proprio sulle candele deve finire ?
Dai Paolo delucidaci, inoltre non mi pare che da qualche parte ci sia scritto non usare in macchine a benzina, cmq il tizio non ha risposto a tutte le domande che gli ho posto, magari qualcun'altro potrebbe provare al posto mio, a rifargli le domande oppure a cercare eventuali impieghi oltre al motore e cambio non automatico.
ciao
mav_top

[snake301090]

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buongiorno a tutti, ho letto tutto il 3d con molto interesse, quindi dato che si parlava di gruppi d'acquisto, che dite? si fa? io mi aggiungo se lo fate
attendo buone nuove

sivori jacopo

[mav_top]

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dal sito lowerfriction abbiamo

http://www.lowerfriction.com/pdf/11.pdf

ecco un riassunto sullo del hBN

Uses of Hexagonal Boron Nitride (hBN)
• hBN powder is used as a lubricant additive and can be dispersed in Lubricating Oil, Grease, Water and Solvents. When mixed with water and binders, it can also be applied as paint (for lubricity coating).
• Due to strong thermal resistance hBN is used as an additive for high temperature lubrication.
• hBN powder can be sprayed (similar to sand blasting) or can be sprinkled on hot surfaces (hot forging dies) to provide dry lubricity. Used in extrusion of Aluminum.
• Electrical Insulators: Due to high dielectric breakdown strength and resistivity, hBN is used as an electrical insulator in electronics as substrate for semiconductors, microwave transparent windows, seals, electrodes and catalyst in fuel cell and batteries. It is used as filler for insulation and heat radiation material.
• Due to Chemical inertness, hBN is used in manufacture of crucibles, boats, molten metal carrier pipes, pumps, thermocouple protection sheaths and lining for reaction vessels.
• hBN being a good thermal conductor, it is used as an additive to various types of heat radiation material.
• Due to high lubricity hBN is used as mold release agent for Plastic Injection and Metal Injection Molds. hBN coating is used in refractory molds for glass forming and Titanium forming.
• Due to Non-Wetting property, hBN is widely used in glass manufacturing process.
• hBN powder can be mixed with ceramics, alloys, resins, plastics, rubbers and other material for self-lubricating properties.
• hBN is also used in manufacture of Cosmetics, Paints, Dental Cements, Pencil Leads etc.
• Due to high temperature stability, hBN is used in many Aeronautic and Space applications.

Quindi puo' essere applicato in tutti i campi

Dice che e' mischiabile con l'acqua, e dice che viene usato come additivo per materiali come radiatori di calore, quindi sembrerebbe che lo si puo' usare nel radiatore anche se non dice le modalita'.

mav_top

[mav_top]

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mentre per il WS2 sembrerebbe quello che riduce l'attrito meglio di tutti, sara' per questo che tutti ne parlano bene al di fuori dell'Italia che neanche lo conosce ?

Ecco quello che dicono, anche questo lo si mischia da tutte le parti, anche nell'acqua

http://www.lowerfriction.com/pdf/19.pdf

Solid/Dry Lubricant Tungsten Disulfide (WS2) Powder
Tungsten Disulfide (WS2) is one of the most lubricous materials known to science. With Coefficient of Friction at 0.03, it offers excellent dry lubricity unmatched to any other substance. It can also be used in high temperature and high pressure applications. It offers temperature resistance from -450 oF (-270oC) to 1200oF (650oC) in normal atmosphere and from -305oF (-188oC) to 2400oF (1316oC) in Vacuum. Load bearing property of coated film is extremely high at 300,000 psi.
Since the powder offers one of the lowest Coefficient of Friction (Dynamic @ 0.03 & Static @ 0.07), the applications are unlimited and could be tried with every conceivable idea.
WS2 powder can be added to Oil/Lubricant/Liquid/Water/Plastic etc. to increase lubricity of mixture. WS2 can also be coated on a substrate by Spraying/Buffing/Tumbling.

Comunque la cosa impressionante e' il coefficiente di attrito 0,03-0,07 mentre per l'hBN e' 0,15-0,70.
L'hBN fonde a 3000 gradi e si dissocia, mentre WS2 fonde a 1260 gradi poi si decompone.

Ora cosa sia meglio o peggio non lo so certo che il fattore di attrito e' tutto a favore di WS2.

mav_top

[mav_top]

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comunque per Paolo che non ama il Tungsteno ecco il suo confronto con il Mos2 che tanto ama

http://www.lowerfriction.com/pdf/8.pdf

dice che l'unico motivo per cui non e' stato mai usato e' stato il suo costo che era molto elevato rispetto al Mos2, mentre ora costano praticamente uguale.

ora che ne dici ? a me quel coefficient di attrito mi fa impazzire, mi sa che lo compro lo stesso

comunque gli ho chiesto pure del Mos2 vediamo che mi rispondono.

Gli ho anche rifatto le domande sull'impiego nella benzina/diesel e nell'acqua per lubrificare la pompa, vediamo che rispondono.

Gli ho chiesto eventuali sconti per ordini piu' grandi, vediamo che rispondono.

Per i curiosi ecco il mio email intero

- INIZIO EMAIL -

Hi again and sorry for the delay in the reply but i was very busy lately, i would like to use your products in my cars, i have a Mercedes Smart 700 Turbo Gasoline with Automatic Gearbox and a Mercedes A-Class CDI Diesel with Manual Gearbox.

I would like to use your products in all places where them can work, so in Engine Oil, if possible in Gearbox (i have manual and automatic you can read below), in the coolant system water (radiator) and if possible in the fuel (gasoline and diesel) like additive (to lubricate and protect iniectors, valves, etc. from wear of moving parts).

The technical cards of your products (hBN and WS2) report that both can be mixed with Oil, Grease, Water, Fuel and other liquids.

So i ask you, can i use WS2 or hBN in the coolant system (radiator), it will have some effect on the water pump (lubricate or protect) ? How many grams for liter ?
Same for the fuel, can i use WS2 or hBN in the fuel (gasoline and diesel) to lubricate or protect ? how many grams for liter ?

Then i found that you have Mos2 too, but is it in powder ? and how much cost ?
Same questions for the Mos2, where can i use it in a car ?

I was thinking to buy 1lb of hBN 1,5 micron, 1 lb of WS2 0,6 micron or 1 lb of Mos2 (but i don't know the granularity and the cost, can you write it to me).

I read that you state WS2 is really better than Mos2, can you confirm this ?

Can you confirm the shipping cost to Italy ?

Do you have some discounts in case of bigger orders ? How big and what kind of discount ?
(i was thinking to do a cumulative order for more people, in Italy this kind of products are not available for now).

Thanks again for your time and sorry for all the questions.

mav_top